Virginia requirement question

madkow70

D J Kim
Member
Good morning,
I understand that I need to have the window wipers in order to title/register MK4 in Virginia.
I'm installing a heater system in mine, do I need to have the vent routed to have a window defrosters for Virginia regulation?
unless it's required, I was going to not have that extra work done.

thanks in advance for your help.

D.J.
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Scott Harrison

"Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional"
Staff member
Contributing Member
Member
Theoretically, if it gets registered as a replica, it has to have the safety equipment that was required for the model year of which it is a replica.
e.g. if it's registered as a 1965, it will need to meet the requirements of a '65 car....lights, horn, turn signals, wipers etc.



46.2-602.1. Titling and registration of replica vehicles.

Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the model year of vehicles constructed or assembled by multiple manufacturers or assemblers shall be the model year of which the vehicle is a replica. No vehicle titled under this section shall be driven more than 5,000 miles per year as shown by the vehicle's odometer. No vehicle titled under this section shall be automatically eligible for antique motor vehicle license plates provided for in § 46.2-730.

Any vehicle registered under this section shall be subject to vehicle safety inspections as provided for in Article 21 (§ 46.2-1157 et seq.) of Chapter 10 and emissions inspections as provided for in Article 22 (§ 46.2-1176 et seq.) of Chapter 10. Such vehicles shall meet such safety and emission requirements as established for the model year of which the vehicle is a replica.

The Department shall assign each such vehicle a new vehicle identification number, line-make, and model year, if required.
 

madkow70

D J Kim
Member
Theoretically, if it gets registered as a replica, it has to have the safety equipment that was required for the model year of which it is a replica.
e.g. if it's registered as a 1965, it will need to meet the requirements of a '65 car....lights, horn, turn signals, wipers etc.



46.2-602.1. Titling and registration of replica vehicles.

Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the model year of vehicles constructed or assembled by multiple manufacturers or assemblers shall be the model year of which the vehicle is a replica. No vehicle titled under this section shall be driven more than 5,000 miles per year as shown by the vehicle's odometer. No vehicle titled under this section shall be automatically eligible for antique motor vehicle license plates provided for in § 46.2-730.

Any vehicle registered under this section shall be subject to vehicle safety inspections as provided for in Article 21 (§ 46.2-1157 et seq.) of Chapter 10 and emissions inspections as provided for in Article 22 (§ 46.2-1176 et seq.) of Chapter 10. Such vehicles shall meet such safety and emission requirements as established for the model year of which the vehicle is a replica.

The Department shall assign each such vehicle a new vehicle identification number, line-make, and model year, if required.
a couple of questions if I may.
I'm sure it's been asked before but please forgive me for throwing it out again here.

say if I finish the build sometime this year and apply for the title and registration,
the vehicle would have 2020 model year title?
and would that mean that I can't apply for the antique tag?
and would that mean that this vehicle would be subject to annual safety inspection and ugly decal on the windshield in Fairfax County?

thank you for your help in advance...

D.J.
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jkobra

Crop Duster/FUMES
Contributing Member
Kind of related. I've been told by several folks that a front plate need not be displayed if there was no provision made by the manufacturer. Can anyone point to a provision in the VA code that supports this ?
 

Rob Burton

Contributing Member
Member
When I had a roadster, i temporarily mounted two marine wipers to the top channel of the windshield with some #8 bolts slid into the track. I wired them to plug in under the dash and had an inline toggle switch. Then I took them off after inspection. Not sure if that will work in VA though.
 
The below doesn't allow for no front plate (except for trailers etc), but the way I read it is, if you get a ticket for no front plate, the court MAY dismiss it in court if you prove you have since attached the plate.

If anyone finds anything else I would definitely like to see it.

Also would like to hear any good stories or horror stories about people registering/titling in VA.

There is a move to switch to only front plates like other states, that would get rid of the problem altogether.


[Code of Virginia]

§ 46.2-715. Display of license plates.
License plates assigned to a motor vehicle, other than a moped, motorcycle, autocycle, tractor truck, trailer, or semitrailer, or to persons licensed as motor vehicle dealers or transporters of unladen vehicles, shall be attached to the front and the rear of the vehicle. The license plate assigned to a moped, motorcycle, autocycle, trailer, or semitrailer shall be attached to the rear of the vehicle. The license plate assigned to a tractor truck shall be attached to the front of the vehicle. The license plates issued to licensed motor vehicle dealers and to persons licensed as transporters of unladen vehicles shall consist of one plate for each set issued and shall be attached to the rear of the vehicle to which it is assigned.

For any summons issued for a violation of this section, the court may, in its discretion, dismiss the summons, where proof of compliance with this section is provided to the court on or before the court date.

Code 1950, § 46-101; 1954, c. 210; 1958, c. 541, § 46.1-106; 1972, c. 609; 1974, c. 150; 1989, c. 727; 2013, c. 783; 2014, cc. 53, 256; 2017, c. 670.
 
Good morning,
I understand that I need to have the window wipers in order to title/register MK4 in Virginia.
I'm installing a heater system in mine, do I need to have the vent routed to have a window defrosters for Virginia regulation?
unless it's required, I was going to not have that extra work done.

thanks in advance for your help.

D.J.
.
Pretty sure you need defrost. It's on the VA State Police Inspection checklist that I got with my last inspection. Defrost is a safety issue, I've had to replace fan motors because of being flunked for it not working, they will try it (if they do a proper inspection). Heater apparently not required, but I think one assumes if they have defrost they might as well have heat vents too.

Seems like in the 80's we used to just have a friend that had a shop and they'd just give you a sticker cuz they knew ya. So that's another possible solution, understand, I'm not recommending it since it's not legal. I kind of think you'd want defrost, but depending where you are, maybe you just never need it.
 

Scott Harrison

"Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional"
Staff member
Contributing Member
Member
The safety inspection requirements should be based on year of car replicated, not current requirements. There are several inspection stations that our members use that are lenient with the Cobra.
They can p.m. you with that info.
 
Wow, thanks! I am very far from having to do this, but, now that you've told me this, I'm sure it will make life much easier. I'm in Roanoke, are there any in this area? They can p.m. me if they know. Thanks again.
 

jkobra

Crop Duster/FUMES
Contributing Member
The below doesn't allow for no front plate (except for trailers etc), but the way I read it is, if you get a ticket for no front plate, the court MAY dismiss it in court if you prove you have since attached the plate.

If anyone finds anything else I would definitely like to see it.

Also would like to hear any good stories or horror stories about people registering/titling in VA.

There is a move to switch to only front plates like other states, that would get rid of the problem altogether.


[Code of Virginia]

§ 46.2-715. Display of license plates.
License plates assigned to a motor vehicle, other than a moped, motorcycle, autocycle, tractor truck, trailer, or semitrailer, or to persons licensed as motor vehicle dealers or transporters of unladen vehicles, shall be attached to the front and the rear of the vehicle. The license plate assigned to a moped, motorcycle, autocycle, trailer, or semitrailer shall be attached to the rear of the vehicle. The license plate assigned to a tractor truck shall be attached to the front of the vehicle. The license plates issued to licensed motor vehicle dealers and to persons licensed as transporters of unladen vehicles shall consist of one plate for each set issued and shall be attached to the rear of the vehicle to which it is assigned.

For any summons issued for a violation of this section, the court may, in its discretion, dismiss the summons, where proof of compliance with this section is provided to the court on or before the court date.

Code 1950, § 46-101; 1954, c. 210; 1958, c. 541, § 46.1-106; 1972, c. 609; 1974, c. 150; 1989, c. 727; 2013, c. 783; 2014, cc. 53, 256; 2017, c. 670.
I bought my car in California in 2000. There is no provision for a front plate. Had several interactions with and citations from law enforcement before I moved to Virginia in 2004. No one ever mentioned the lack of a front plate. My car was taken to Virginia State Police in Richmond for them to inspect as part of an effort to influence state replica / kit car rules. No mention whatsoever about the lack of a front plate. Several interactions with law enforcement in Virginia with no mention of the lack of a front plate, until one day when arlington motorcycle bully officer richard head was standing on the side of the road and signalling people over for not wearing seat belts. He signalled me over and gave me a $25.00 ticket which ended up costing me $85.00 with court costs and other BS. I pointed out to him that there was no place to mount a front tag. He couldn't care less. Two weeks later he sought me out and asked why I still didn't have a front tag. I told him that I had to have a tag holder specially fabricated, and it wasn't ready yet. He said my car was easy for him to recognize, and I'd better have a front plate next time he saw me. I'm not one to send the wolf to my neighbors tent, but there's not a single corvette in arlington county with a front tag. Why would anyone want to paint a mustache on the Mona Lisa ?
 
Wow, what a horror story! Seems to verge on abuse of power to me. I mean, technically he has the power to enforce the law, but REALLY, wouldn't you think there are better things to do. Sorry to hear you had this experience!
 

Danbo

FFR6198 Dan Deitz
Contributing Member
Mine almost failed for that, however, it’s an option back in the 60’s, just like backup lights, front plates. Don’t even tell them you have a heater unless your control panel is out in the open.
 
Are you saying front plate was an option in the 60's? Because that would make a huge difference. Sorry if I may have misunderstood.
 

Tom Wells

Contributing Member
Member
Actually, a front license plate bracket is really, really simple:

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A piece of aluminum placed under the parking light socket with five holes and a couple of small offsetting bends.

I think I gave that one to someone when I moved to Florida. Don't ask me who - that was 17+ years ago...

Tom
 

Danbo

FFR6198 Dan Deitz
Contributing Member
I lived in Virginia and now in The People’s state of Maryland, and don’t have to worry about front plates.
I cannot remember or even retained the Virginia legislation on the subject incase some cop who quite read all of law. I kept a copy in my with my car’s registration incase.
 
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